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The Old Ideas on Saving & Investing Don't Work -- Here's What Does

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Is the Same Song We Sing. Glad You Belong to the Same Choir We Do."





    Carolyn McClanahan, Director of Financial Planning
    for Life Planning Partners, Inc.

  • "Retirees Now Frequently Base Their Retirement Decisions on the Portfolio Success Rates Found in Research Such as the Trinity Study.... This Is Not the Information They Need for Making Their Withdrawal Rate Decisions."




    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "The P/E10 Tool Could Drastically Change
    How the Entire Investment Industry
    Operates and Measures Risk."





    Larry, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Your Money or Your Life Book
    for a New Generation."





    Beatrix Fernandex, Book Reviewer
    for Dollar Stretcher Site

  • "A Newer School of Thought Believes That the Safe Withdrawal Rate Depends on How Stocks Are Priced at the Time You Begin Making Withdrawals."





    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News Finance Columnist

  • "A Fascinating Retirement Calculator."







    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "The Evidence is Pretty Incontrovertible. Valuation-Informed Indexing...Is Everywhere Superior to Buy-and-Hold Over Ten-Year Periods."




    Norbert Schenkler,
    Co-Owner of Financial WebRing Forum

  • "Every Detail Shows Rob's Respect
    for His Information and His Reader."






    Audrey Owen, Owner of Writer's Helper Site

  • "You’ve Accomplished Something Radical
    With Your Idea of Passion Saving."





    Mark Michael Lewis,
    Money, Mission & Meaning Talk Show Host

  • "Big Moves Out of Stocks Should Not Be Done at All. But Strategic Asset Allocation Can Be Done At Very Rare Times, Maybe Six Times in an Investor’s Lifetime, Three Times When the Market Is Stupidly High and Three Times When Stupidly Low."



    John Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "Valuation-Informed Investing and Passive Investing
    Share More of a Common Ancestry
    Than It Might Appear at First."





    Jacob Irwin, Owner of Passive Investing Blog Carnival

  • "It Is Great to See a Finance Journalist Who Understands That Valuations Matter. Efficient Market Zealotry Is Rampant in the Journalism Community. I Just Love Your Valuation-Based Return Calculator."




    Rich Toscano, Pacific Capital Associates

  • "There Is Always An Unlimited Supply of Complainers Against Any Good Idea."






    Mr. Money Mustache Blogger

  • "Rob: This Has Been One of the Most Insightful and Helpful Comments I Think Anyone Has Ever Posted. Thank You for This Lesson and for Sharing Your Knowledge on This Subject!"




    My Money Design Blogger

  • "There Is An Extensive Literature About the Predictability of Long-Term Stock Returns. There Is an Extensive Literature About Short-Term Market Timing. My Question Is About Long-Term Market Timing. The Literature Seems Slim."



    Wade Pfau, Retirement Income Professor
    at The American College

  • "Your Ideas Are Sound."







    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "For Years, the Investment Industry Has
    Tried to Scare Clients Into Staying Fully Invested
    in the Stock Market at All Times, No Matter
    How High Stocks Go. It's Hooey.
    They're Leaving Out More Than Half the Story."



    Brett Arends, The Wall Street Journal

  • "There Are Time-Periods Where Stocks Are a Terrible Addition to That Portfolio. Yet Inexplicably, We As Planners STILL tend to Suggest That It Is 'Risky' to Not Own Stocks When in Reality the Only Risk Is to Our Business."




    Michael Kitces, Maryland Financial Planner

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Provides More Wealth for 102 of 110 of the Rolling 30-Year Time-Periods While Buy-and-Hold Did Better in Eight of the Periods."






    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "There Is a Growing Behavioral Economics Movement, But It So Far Has Had Limited Impact. Economists Are Not Fond of the Softness and Imprecision of Psychology. These Notions Are Considered Vaguely Unprofessional and Flaky."



    Robert Shiller, Yale University Economic Professor

  • "I Would Occasionally Get a Response Post
    Saying I Was 'the Best Since Rob Bennett
    Challenged Us to Think.'"




    A Popular Bogleheads Forum Poster Named "Retired at 48" Who Was Banned for Challenging Buy-and-Hold

  • "New Research by Rob Bennett Shows That
    Even a 4% Withdrawal Rate Could Cause Failure
    If You Start Retirement When
    Stock Market Valuations Are High.”




    Bernard Kelly, Consultant

  • "FuhGedDaBouDit!"




    William Bernstein, Author of
    The Four Pillars of Investing
    (When Asked Whether We Can Use the Old School Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies to Plan Our Retirements)

  • "This [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is a Very Handy Little Tool."






    Felix Salmon, Market Movers Blog

  • "A Much Simpler Way to Bring
    the Valuation Issue to Focus."
    (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)





    Karteek Narayanaswarmy, Blogger

  • "It's Informative, It's Based on Solid Data and It Provides Useful Results." (Referring to The Stock-Return Predictor)






    Political Calculations Blog

  • "Meet Three Couples Who Left the Corporate World to Do the Kinds of Work That Satisfied Them."






    Liz Pulliam Weston, MSN Money Columnist

  • "I Like Rob's Fresh Views and Tips
    on the Subject of Saving Money."






    The Digerati Life Blog

  • "A Very Solid Approach to Investing."







    Michael Harr, Founder of Walden Advisors

  • "Rob Bennett Has Been on a Tear With One Outstanding RobCast After Another."





    John Walter Russell, Owner of
    Early-Retirement-Planning-Insights.com Site

  • "It’s Time for a Different Way to Look at Investing, and Rob Is Onto Something Here."






    Kevin Mercadante, Owner of Out of Your Rut Blog

  • "My Afternoon Train Reading."
    (Referring to Rob's Article titled
    Why Buy-and-Hold Investing Can Never Work)





    Barry Ritholtz, Owner of The Big Picture Blog

  • "What Is It With Guys Named Rob?
    Longtime Index Agitator Rob Arnott Has Now
    Been Joined on These Pages by a
    Vanguard Diehard Agitator Named Rob Bennett."




    Jim Wiandt, IndexUniverse.com Publisher

  • "He Offers a Fresh New Perspective
    that Will Motivate You to Get on Track
    With a Solid Savings Plan."





    Lynn Terry, Click Newz Blog

  • "While Browsing at www.PassionSaving.com the Other Day, I Discovered an Article Featuring Ten Unconventional Money-Saving Tips. Each of These Offers a New Way to See Money."




    J.D. Roth, Owner of Get Rich Slowly Site

  • "Rob Has Ideas About Investing That Many Bloggers Find 'Interesting.' His Posts Are Often Controversial and Always Thought Provoking."





    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Is There a Way to Turn Saving Into Something Fun? If There Was, I Bet a Lot More of Us Would Do a Lot More Saving. I Found a Website Where This Basic Premise Is Explored in Great Depth."




    The Great WeiszGuy Blog

  • "I Have Much More Confidence in My Ability to Understand What Is Happening....I Thank You for Your Public Service, and, In Another Dimension, for the Personal Courage It Took to Make It Happen."




    Elizabeth, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Was Hooked on the Idea of [Passive] Index Indexing, But Something Inside Made Me Wonder "Too Good to Be True?" and "What's the Downside?" I Happened on to Your Site and Valuation-Informed Indexing Seems to Make Sense."



    Coleen, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Reads Like a Casual Conversation
    with a Likable Guy Who Wants Nothing More
    Than to Help Others Experience the Same Joy
    and Happiness He Has Found."




    Kara, Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Your 'Secrets' Are Exactly Like Magic Tricks: Once Revealed, They Look So Simple, Yet You Need Somebody to Show You How It Works."





    Kramerizio, Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob's Da Man! Never in the History of the Diehards Forum Has One Poster, Always Making Civil and Well Thought-Out Posts, Managed to Irritate So Many Without Anyone Being Able to Articulate a Good Reason As to Why."




    Mephistopheles, Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I’ve Been Surprised at How Controversial This Idea Is, but If Most People Are Buying and Holding, They Are Emotionally Invested in This Strategy."





    Jennifer Barry, Live Richly Blogger

  • "The Findings for [Long-Term] Market Timing Are So Robust That It Hardly Matters How We Do It."






    Wade Pfau, Asociate Professor of Economics

  • "The Elegant Simplicity of His Ideas Throughout Warms the Heart and Startles the Brain."






    Tom Gardner, Co-Founder of the Motley Fool Site

  • "Mr. Bennett Evidences an Unusual Skill....
    You'll Have to Buy a Copy....Extraordinary....
    A Massive Heap of Crap."




    John Greaney,
    Owner of the Retire Early Home Page Site

  • "By Reading All the Information on Your Website I Was Able to Develop a Part of Me I Didn't Know I Would Be Able to Become."





    Javier, PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Innovative Financial Thinking."







    No Limits, Ladies Blog

  • "Knowledgeable."







    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "Holy Toledo! This Is Great Stuff!"






    Bill Schultheis, Author of
    The New Coffeehouse Portfolio

  • ""He Offers Down-to-Earth But
    Nevertheless Eye-Opening Insights About
    the Why and the How of Early Retirement."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Challenges Unfounded Assumptions."







    Bill Sholar, Founder of the Early Retirement Forum

  • "Seminal."






    John Greaney, Owner of Retire Early Home Page Site
    (Pre-May 13, 2002 Version)

  • "It’s Always Good to Read Something New That Challenges Your Way of Thinking."






    Invest It Wisely Blog

  • "Rob, Thanks for All of Your Articulate, Well-Written and Well-Reasoned Commentary."






    Elle, a Poster at the Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "Although Rob and I Don’t See Eye to Eye
    on Every Detail, His Site Is a
    Valuable Resource for Research."





    Ken Faulkenberry, Portfolio Manager

  • "Thanks, Rob. I Love Seeing So Many
    Personal Finance Bloggers Who Offer Such
    High Quality Content on Their Own Sites Come Here
    to Weigh In [on Your Ideas]."




    Married With Debt Blogger

  • "A Ton of Tremendously Useful Content."







    Network Abundance Radio

  • "Your Enthusiasm Is Infectious."







    Ruth, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Woke Up at 4:00 am and Stared at the Wall for 20 Minutes....Thank You for Doing What You Do."






    Tasha, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "It Might Just Give You
    a New Way of Looking at Saving."






    Kevin Surbaugh, Owner of Debt Free 4Ever Blog

  • "'Staying Too Long in a Job Where You Don’t Feel Relevant Takes a Toll,' Said Rob Bennett, Who Worked for Years in a Well-Paying Corporate Communications Job Where He Didn’t Have Enough to Do."




    The New York Times

  • "You Have Started One of the Most Interesting
    and Stimulating Discussions This Board has Seen
    in a Long Time."





    Poster at Motley Fool Site

  • "A Respected Author and Commentator, Mr. Bennett has Dedicated Himself to Educating Average Investors to Avoid the Most Common Errors."





    Liberty Watch Site

  • "I've Gone from Shattered Dreams of Early Retirement to Glimpses of Hope to Reassurance from Quantitative Research."





    Patricia, A PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "Some of the Most Helpful and Insightful Market Discussions on the Web Take Place on These Pages."





    A Poster at the Safe WithDrawal Rate Research Group
    (Founded by Rob)

  • "Rob is the Only Person I Know (If Only via Message Board) Who has Completely Opted Out of Participation in the Stock Bubble. And You Know What? He Has Benefited Immensely from Doing So."




    Poster at Motley Fool

  • "Makes the Subject of Saving Edgy and Fresh."







    Maxine, A Reader of Rob's Book

  • "Rob Bennett, the Author of a Book Called Passion Saving, Thinks the Saving Problem Is Partly One of Packaging. So He Prefers to Couch it in the Language of Freedom."





    The Wall Street Journal

  • "This Tip Comes from Rob Bennett
    of the Finance Site PassionSaving.com."






    Lifehacker.com

  • "I LOVE This Article and
    Am Proud to be Publishing It!"




    Chuck Yanikoski, Executive Director of
    The Association of Integrative Financial
    and Life Planning

  • "Rob Bennett: Some People Disagree With Him, and He Rubs a Lot of People the Wrong Way. But He Has Interesting Ideas About Valuation-Informed Indexing, and He Delves Into a Lot of What Makes a Successful Investing Strategy."



    Miranda Marquit, Planting Money Seeds Blog

  • "Rob….Wow…..Your Response Sent Shivers
    Up the Ol’ Pilgrim Spine."






    Neal Frankie, Owner of the Wealth Pilgrim Blog

  • "I Have Counseled My Clients to Allocate a Percentage to Equities Based Upon Market Valuations....I Feel Like I've Found a Kindred Spirit. Fascinating Web Site."





    Tom Behlmer, Financial Planner

  • “A Simple Age-Based Asset Allocation Formula Is Not Appropriate, and Any Sensible Asset-Allocation Formula Should Combine Both Age/Investment Horizon and Market Valuation Levels.”




    RationalInvestor.biz

  • "Had a Guest Post This Week from Rob Bennett, Where He Discusses the Benefits of Value-Informed Indexing, Which I Find Very Intriguing."





    Sustainable Personal Finance Blog

  • "I Can Appreciate Rob's Comments.... Buy-and-Hold?
    For the Most Part, a Long Obsolete Theory."






    Neal Deutsch, Certified Financial Planner

  • "Utterly Brilliant!"







    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Your Website Is So Enjoyable That It Is Keeping Me From My Research As I Am So Excited That I Have Found Such a Valuable Resource."





    Stuart, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "What We're Talking About Here Really
    ...Is Empowerment."






    Motley Fool Poster

  • "The Return Predictor Is Based upon the Principle that Over the Long Term, Stock Market Prices Will Reflect the Ten-Years Earnings Growth of the Underlying Companies. Prices Return to a Common Growth Pattern."




    Links.com Review of The Stock-Return Predictor

  • "Rob’s Arguments in Favor of Value Investing Actually Make a Lot of Sense In a Way That Should Make Any Rational Buy-and-Holder Uncomfortable."





    Pop Economics Blog

  • "What I Don't Understand Is How Rob Can Correspond in Such a Sweet and Polite Way
    -- Yet He Irritates Me to No End!"





    Financial WebRing Forum Poster

  • "You Go About It in a Manner that is Catastrophically Unproductive by Adding Missionary Zeal that Inflates Your Importance and Demeans Others. The Whole Idea That There is a New School of Safe Withdrawal Rates Reeks of Personal Aggrandizement."



    Scott Burns, Dallas Morning News

  • "Inflammatory."







    Morningstar.com Site Administrator

  • “What Warren Buffett Did Was Essentially Quite Close to What Rob Bennett Has Written. Buffett Has in Fact Been Cleverly Incorporating Long-Term Market Timing Based on Valuation of the Market in His Allocation of Money to Stocks.”



    Investor Notes Blog

  • "This Report Offers A Fresh Perspective That Is Rarely Found In Other Financial Literature."






    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "Rob Bennett Says That Market Timing Based on Aggregate P/E Ratios Can Be a Far More Effective Strategy. This Claim Is Consistent With Shiller's Analysis and I Can See How It Might Be So."




    Rajiv Sethi, Economics Professor at Columbia Univeristy

  • "Retiring Early Was A Concept I Did Not Entertain. I Was Going to Retire at 65 After Putting in 40 Years. Now I Am Glad To Say That All That Has Changed."





    Secrets of Retiring Early Reader

  • "In a Couple of Days, I Had
    Devoured the Entire Book."






    Reader of Rob's Book

  • "FIRECalc May Not Be the Last Word
    on Safe Withdrawal Rates."






    Jonathan Clements, Wall Street Journal

  • "It Seems to Me That Some on This Board Feel Threatened by the Arrival of Rob and His Ideas. They Feel a Threat to Their Perceived Elite Status."





    Motley Fool Poster

  • "You've Got to Say One Thing for Rob. He Has NEVER Lowered Himself to Ad Hominen Attacks -- Subliminal or Otherwise -- on Any Other Person on This Board. Not Once. Ever. At Least Give Him Credit for That."




    Motley Fool Poster

  • "I Have Never Seen Rob Show Incivility. No Matter What. Truly Amazing. Either He Is Really the Output of an Artificial Intelligence Program, or the Man's on the Way to Becoming a Saint!"




    Early Retirement Forum Poster

  • "You're the Politest Guy on the Internet.
    Such a Soft Touch!"






    Jonathan Lewis

  • "Props for Keeping Your Cool in the Married with Debt Article. Best of Luck Combating Buy-and-Hold."






    Money Mamba Blogger

  • "I Caught Up [at the Financial Bloggers Conference] With a Fairly Controversial Financial Blogger
    Named Rob Bennett, Who Struck Me As the
    Nicest Guy Around. There -- I Said It!"




    Digerati Life Blogger

  • "In Rob Bennett's Case, He Was Banned for No Known Listed Forum Policy. Except His Viewpoint Was Different From Other Bogleheads and [He Was Perceived As] a Threat."




    Investor Junkie Blog

  • "Mr. Bennett, You Are Spot on About Integrating Some Type of Valuation Filter to One's Stock Allocation. Astute Investors Have Incorporated Some Type of 'Valuation Timing' Into Their Investment Decisions Since the Beginning of Time."



    Poster at the Psy Fi Blog

  • "His Insights Into What Is Really Going On In The Stock Market Are Quite Compelling."






    Future Storm Blog

  • "It Was an Epiphany...Valuation-Informed Indexing Beats Buy-and-Hold Over Most Long-Term Holding Periods at Much Lower Volatility."





    Sam, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "I Am Intrigued By Your Ideas."







    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "I Read the Book and I Loved It.
    The Philosophy Resonated with Me.
    I Am a Believer in Your Concept."





    Dr. Peter Weiss, Author of More Health, Less Care

  • "If Your Investment Ideas Can Do for Investing
    What Weston Price’s Ideas Did for Food,
    You’ve Got Our Attention."





    End Times Hoax Blog

  • "I Have Looked at His Website and Reviewed His Research and Find It Both Compelling and Completely Logical and Common-Sense-Based."





    Poster at Free Money Finance Blog

  • "If Investors Paid More Attention to Valuations, We Would Have Fewer Boom-and-Bust Cycles. The Investing Institutions Are Definitely Going to Avoid It Because It Affects Their Income."




    Hope to Prosper Blog

  • "The Calculators on Your Site Are Great Resources. It Amazes Me How So Many People Can Say 'Valuations Matter' Yet, in the Next Breath, They'll Say That We Should Ignore Valuations."




    John Marlowe, Logistics Analyst at Hess Corporation

  • "Must Read As Per My Viewpoint
    For All Value Seekers."






    Ajit Vakil, Value Investing Congress

  • "His Approach Is Both Mathematically Rigorous
    and Easy to Understand."






    Online Investing AI Blog

  • "There Is Nothing More Doubtful of Success Than a New System. The Initiator Has the Enmity of All Who Profit By Preservation of the Old Institution and Merely Lukewarm Defenders in Those Who Gain By the New One."




    Machiavelli

  • "Difficult Subjects Can Be Explained to the Most Slow-Witted Man If He Has Not Formed Any Idea of Them. But the Simplest Thing Cannot Be Made Clear to the Most Intelligent Man If He Believes He Knows Already What Is Laid Before Him."



    Tolstoy

  • "I Am Not Afraid. I Was Born to Do This."







    Joan of Arc

  • "I Certainly Have Seen the Academic Profession Squelching Unfashionable ideas and Have Often Been on the Wrong Side of It. Kuhn Shows How Most Pathbreaking Scientific Ideas Are Rejected at First, Usually for Decades.”




    Carol Osler, Brandeis International Business School

  • "First They Ignore You, Then They Ridicule You, Then They Fight You, Then You Win."






    Ghandi

  • "We Cannot Assume the Existence of Predictability Just Because There Are No Studies That Fully Reject It."






    Valeriy Zakamulin, Economics Professor

  • "I Am Also Extremely Grateful to Rob Bennett for Motivating This Topic and Contributing His Experience and Encouragement."





    Wade Pfau, Academic Researcher

  • "Rob Bennett Was an Early Pioneer in 3rd Generation Modeling by Advocating (Through Various Online Forums) that Withdrawal Rates Must Be Adjusted for Market Valuations Consistent with Research by Campbell and Shiller."



    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "I Am Fascinated by the Growing Body of Research that Revolves Around the P/E10 Ratio by Robert Shiller, Doug Short, Wade Pfau, Michael Kitces, John Hussman, Crestmont Research, Jim Otar, Mike Philbrick, Adam Butler & Rob Bennett."



    Kay Conheady in Advisor Perspectives

  • "Rob Is an Enigma in the Personal Finance World. He Has Interesting Theories on Investing Based on Market Valuations. But He Weaves a Tale Which Makes the Stories of Alexander Litvinenko & Gareth Williams Seem Tame by Comparison."



    Don't Quit Your Day Job Blog

  • "In Recent Years, the 4 Percent Rule
    Has Been Thrown Into Doubt."






    The Wall Street Journal

  • "A Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Very Dependent
    on the Valuation of the Stockmarket
    at the Retirement Date."





    Economist Magazine

  • "I Have Read Everything I Can About Valuation-Informed Indexing. Buy-and-Hold Is Extremely Problematic. I Respect the Passion, Hard Work and Research That You Have Put Into This Very Important Issue. Your Work Has Huge Value."



    Carl Richards, Owner of Clearwater Asset Management

  • "The World of Personal Finance Blogging Needs More Rob Bennetts. He’s Passionate. He’s Intelligent. He’s Writing Things That Go Against the Grain."





    Financial Uproar Blog

  • "Beyond Awesome."







    Larry, a PassionSaving.com Site Visitor

  • "The Wealth Management Industry Seems Intent on Containing This Discussion for Fear Clients Might Discover that the Emperor Has No Clothes."





    Adam Butler, Portfolio Manager

  • "Recommended Reading."







    Jesse's Cafe Americain Blog

  • “All Who Are Still Holding Equities at Present Levels Because Their Financial Adviser Insists that Timing Market Cycles Is Impossible to Do -- Read This!"





    Juggling Dynamite Blog

  • "The Fact that Aggressive and Short-Term Market Timing Was Unproductive Did Not Mean That There Were Never Times When It Would Be Wealth-Maximizing to Get Out of the Market."



    Scott Burris,Director of the Center for
    Health Law, Policy and Practice

  • "The Amount of Return You Can Expect From a Diversified Equity Portfolio Is Inversely Correlated to the Market Valuation at the Start of the Holding Period. It Is One of the Most Robust Statistical Relationships in Modern Finance."




    Todd Tresidder, Financial Mentor Blog

  • "Why Would Your Job Be Jeopardized
    By Such a Sensible Claim?"





    Marcelle Chauvet, Econmics Professor
    at University of California

  • "Received Worrisome E-Mail from Rob Bennett. Warns of Risk with Buy-and-Hold Investing
    -- I Have No Clue."





    Vivek Wadhaw, Business Week Columnist

  • "As Attorney, Tax Expert and Financial Writer Rob Bennett Told Us, the Problem Is That, By the Time Shiller Published His Research, Many Big Names Had Already Endorsed Buy-and-Hold."




    ZeroHedge.com

  • "This Seems to Me to Be a Fundamental Challenge to Some of the Most Basic Tenets of the Boglehead Paradigm."






    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "You Want to be Very, Very Wary of Anything Connected with Rob Bennett, the Most Infamous Troll in the History of Investing Forums on the Internet."





    Alex Fract, Owner of Bogleheads Forum

  • “I’ve Had My Fill of Those Long-Winded Posts that Include Distortions, Unsubstantiated Claims, Misquotes and Comments Taken Out of Context.”




    Mel Lindauer, Co-Author of
    The Bogleheads Guide to Investing

  • "Haven't You Noticed Yet That NO ONE Discusses Your Ideas, NO ONE Mentions Your Name, NO ONE Goes To Your Web Site."





    One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Had Similar Experiences. I Know of Two Young Professors Who Wanted to Do Research on Fundamental Index and Reported to Me That Their Colleagues Advised Them That This Line of Research Could Derail Their Career Prospects."



    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "As with Drug Studies Funded by Drug Companies, It Would Be Churlish to Suppose that the Chicago School of Business Was in the Bag. But It Would Also Be Idealistic to Assume That There Was No Funding Bias at All."




    Bogleheads Poster

  • "This Sort of Intimidation Is Not Acceptable. The Cigarette and Pharmaceutical Industries Found Research Supporting Their Products By Funding It. But That Was Big Money Supporting Outcomes, Not Dissuading Others."




    Lyn Graham, 25-Year CPA

  • "Financial Economists Gave Little Warning to the Public About the Fragility of Their Models. There Is No Ethical Code for Professional Economic Scientists. There Should Be One."



    Paper Titled The Financial Crisis and
    the Systemic Failure of Academic Economics

  • "The Situation [Referring to the Intimidation Tactics Used to Silence Academic Researcher Wade Pfau's Reporting of the Dangers of Buy-and-Hold Investing Strategies] Seems Well Below Any Professional and Academic Acceptable Standards."



    Albert Sanchez Graells, Law Lecturer

  • Many Academics Can Become Quite Strident When Their Views Are Challenged. Academia Is Often Subject to Self-Serving Bias That Obliterates Ethical Bounds."





    Ted Sichelman, Law Professor

  • "I Don't Like Too Much the Conspiracy Idea. I Am Not Pressured By Anyone in My Research."






    Roberto Reno, Economics Professor

  • "This Is What Investing Should Be -- Calculated, Deliberate, Confident, Informed and Simple."






    Aaron Friday, Owner of Aaron's Blob Blog

  • "It Is Obvious that Rob, in Attempting to Identify New Safe Withdrawal Rate Strategies...Is Goring Your Ox. If Rob Improves on [the] Safe Withdrawal Rate Methodology, the Implication Is Clear: You Are All, Metaphorically, Out of Business."



    Bogleheads Poster

  • "I Applaud His Effort to Inject Another Piece of Objectivity Into a Very Complex, Highly Subjective Topic -- Making Money in the Market."





    Bogleheads Poster

  • "Naturally, I Am Finding That Valuation-Informed Indexing Can Allow You to Reach a Wealth Target With a Lower Saving Rate and to Use a Higher Withdrawal Rate in Retirement Than You Could With a Fixed Allocation."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "A Careful Examination of Past Returns Can Establish Some Probabilities About the Prospective Parameters of Return, Offering Intelligent Investors a Basis for Rational Expectations About Future Returns."




    Jack Bogle, Founder of Vanguard Funds

  • "The Ability to Estimate the Long-Term Future Returns of the Major Asset Classes Is Perhaps the Most Important Investment Skill That An Indivisual Can Possess."




    William Bernstein, Author of The Four Pillars of Investing

  • "The Stock Market Resembles Roulette. In Both Cases, the Accuracy of Sensible Forecasts Rises Over Time."






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "Returns Are for the Most Part a Matter of Simple Arithmetic...Much of Our Industry Seems Fearful of Basic Arithmetic of This Sort."





    Rob Arnott, Financial Analysts Journal Editor

  • "How Can It Be That One-Year Returns Are So Apparantly Random and Yet Ten-Year Returns Are Mostly Forecastable? In Looking at One-Year Returns, One Sees a Lot of Noise. But Over Longer Time Intervals the Noise Effectively Averages Out and Is Less Important."




    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller

  • "The Notion That Rich Valuations Will Not Be Followed By Sub-Par Long-Term Returns Is a Speculative Idea That Runs Counter to All Historical Evidence. It Is an Iron Law of Finance That Valuations Drive Long-Term Returns."




    John Hussman

  • "It's January and the Temperature Is Below Freezing. If You Asked Me Whether It Will be Warmer or Cooler Next Tuesday, I Would Be Unable to Say. However, If You Asked Me What Temperature to Expect on April 9, I Could Predict "Warmer Than Today" and Almost Surely Be Right."



    Michael Alexanfer, Author of Stock Cycles

  • "If the Response Is "Who Knew?", It Won't Be Much Comfort for Retirees in the Employment Line at Wal-Mart. This is Especially True Since a Rational Understanding of History and the Drivers of Longer-Term Stock Returns Can Help Retirees To Avoid That Surprise."




    Ed Easterling, Author of Unexpected Returns

  • "New of the Demise of the Random Walk Has Only Very Slowly Spread, In Part Because Its Overthrow Came as a Shock. If the Random Walk Hypothesis Were Correct, the Most Likely Return Would Be the Historic Average Return. The Evidence, However, Is Strongly Against This."



    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "I Don't Think We Can Debate the Merits of This Type of Forecasting [Referring to the Numbers Generated by The Stock-Return Predictor] Unless We Believe 'This Time It's Different.'"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Before the Ban on Honest Posting Was Adopted There)

  • "I've Seen Absolutely Nothing From You That I Can Use in a Tangible Fashion to Formulate an Investment Plan. Your Ideas Are So Mushy That It's a Complete Waste of Time to Even Consider Them."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "Do You Really Think Your Tool
    [The Stock-Return Predictor]
    Is 'Wiser' Than the Market?
    If It Was That Easy,
    Everybody Would Be Doing It."



    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "The Expected Return of Stocks [As Reported By The Stock-Return Predictor] Needs To Be At Least the Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) Rate for Stock Investing To Make Sense."




    Bogleheads Forum Poster

  • "I Have Used Valuations to Adjust My Asset Allocation For Many Years With Very Favorable Results."





    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "I Don't Care If You Do or Don't Believe That the Market Will Behave Similarly in the Future As It Has in the Past. Either Way, This [The Stock-Return Predictor] Is an Excellent Way to Understand What the Market Has Done In the Past."


    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "My Role Is To Give People Who Don't Like What the Historical Stock-Return Data Says About the Effect of Valuations on Long-Term Returns Somebody To Yell At On Internet Discussion Boards."



    Rob Bennett at Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "It Really Is a Shame and Indefensible That So Many Feel the Need to Jump Into It With No Interest of Posting on the Topic But Just to Disrupt. Are You That Insecure? Some on the Forum Have an Interest in This Topic. If You Don't, Stay Out!"



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "Irrational Behavior Does Follow Patterns. But How Many Experts in Behavioral Finance Believe That Such Knowledge Can Be Used to Predict Markets? Basically, None. Your Model Cannot Attain the Level of Predictive Value You Claim."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "The Safe Withdrawal Rate Studies Are Based on History. This [The Retirement Risk Evaluator] Shows, Based on the Same History, What the Probabilities Are for the Future at Various Starting Points. If the First Has Value, Then Surely This Does Too."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum

  • "There Are Hundreds of People Who Contributed to This. This Calculator [The Stock-Return Predictor] Demonstrates in a Compelling Way the Power of This New Internet Discussion-Board Communications Medium."




    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "A P/E10 of'26' Is Bad. Now Look at the 30-Year Return Predicted by the Calculator -- 5.4 Percent Real. That's Not Bad. There Are All Sorts of Strategic Implications That Follow From Understanding That Stocks Provide Different Sorts of Returns Over Different Sorts of Time-Periods."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Would Never Invest in Anything Without Having Any Idea What the Expected Return Is. For Instance, I Would Not Walk Into a Bank And Say "I'll Take One Certificate of Deposit, Please" WIthout Asking What Rate They Are Offering."



    Poster at Bogleheads Forum
    [Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting]

  • "I've Seen Things Said on Investing Boards That I Have Never Heard Said in Discussions of Any Non-Investing Topic. The Question of Whether Valuations Affect Long-Term Returns Is a Topic That Causes People More Emotional Angst Than Does Abortion or Impeachment Proceedings or the War in Iraq."



    Rob Bennett at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "It's Not Possible For Those Who Have Come to Believe That Stocks Are Always Best to Accept that Valuations Matter. The Two Beliefs Are Mutually Exclusive. If Valuations Matter, There Is Obviously Some Valuation Level At Which Stocks Are Not Best. The Two Paradigms Cannot Be Reconciled."


    Rob Bennett

  • "The Great Safe Withdrawal Rate Is Over. Rob Bennett Has Won.The Technical Evidence Supporting This Assertion Is Rock Solid."




    John Walter Russell,
    Owner of the Early Retirement Planning Insights Site
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on August 3, 2003.]

  • "I Am Afraid that the Emperor SWR [for "Safe Withdrawal Rate"] Has No Clothes."





    A Poster at the Early Retirement Forum
    [This Statement Was Put Forward on October 8, 2003.]

  • "I Cite You and John Walter Russell in My Paper as the Earliest and Strongest Advocates of This Approach [New School Safe Withdrawal Rate Research]."




    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "Dear Rob -- I Just Became Aware of Your Past Research in September. Since Then, I've Read Archives From Many Discussion Boards and Websites, and I Always Find Your Writing to Be Very Interesting and Intriguing."



    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "I Think Rob Bennett Did Provide An Important Contribution in Terms of Describing a Way for P/E10 to Guide Asset Allocation for Long-Term Conservative Investors. I Also Think He Was Right on the Issue of Safe Withdrawal Rates."


    Wade Pfau, Professor of Retirement Income
    at The American College

  • "What Studies Show This [That Long-Term Timing Doesn't Work]? In Particular, Are There Some Academic Studies That I Haven't Found Yet? That's All I Want to Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum After His Own Search of the Literature Turned Up Not a Single Such Study

  • "Because the Precise Timing of This Mean Reversion Is Not Known in Advance, Expecting the Result to Happen in the Short-Term Will Not Be Possible. But Long-Term Investors Who Can Be Patient Can Wait for This Mean Reversion and Will Eventually Come Out Ahead."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Your Work Is at Odds with the Ethos of the Board -- Here the Theme is John Bogle's Philosophy, Which Eschews Market Timing. This Board Came Into Existence to ESCAPE One Individual, the Very Individual With Whom You Have Openly Aligned Yourself."




    A Lindaurhead (to Researcher Wade Pfau)

  • "The Problem With Long-Term Market Timing Is That It Takes Too Long to Find Out If You Are Right or Wrong."






    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Why Is It Such an Odious Violation of the Tenets of Bogleheadism to Explore Whether Someone Who Has Enough Patience Might Be Able to Benefit from the Transitory Nature of Speculative Returns (the Idea That the P/E Ratio Eventually Ends Up Where It Started)?"




    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "Let Me Explain Why I Posted About This Here. Valuation-Informed Indexing Has Had Critics for Years. But Until Norbert Did It In 2008, Nobody Seemed to Have Provided a Serious Investigation of It. I Couldn't Understand Why. That Bothered Me."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "If You Really Don't Like Market Timing in Any and All Forms, You May Not See Any Point in an Empirical Investigation. You View Me as One of a Long Line of Hucksters Trying to Sell You Some Snake Oil. I Don't Want to Be Such a Person."



    Researcher Wade Pfau at the Bogleheads Forum
    (Prior to the Ban on Honest Posting)

  • "Having a Completely Ineleastic Demand for Equities Is a Bit Bonkers. No One Acts That Way with Life's Other Important Commodities. Campbell Advocates a Linear Valuations-Based Strategy so That You Wouldn't Be Making Big Changes. This Would Be Like Rebalancing But More Flexible."



    A Poster at the Bogleheads Forum

  • "The Whole Idea of Valuation-Informed Indexing Belongs to You. Do You Mind if I call the Paper 'Valuation-Informed Indexing'? I Would Give You Credit. I Have Been Toying With the Idea of Sending the Paper to the Journal of Finance, Which Is the Most Prestigious Journal in Academic Finance."


    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau, in an E-Mail to Rob

  • "I Definitely Need to Cite You as the Founder of Valuation-Informed Indexing, As I Have Not Found Anyone Else Who Can Lay Claim to That. Shiller Pointed Out the Predictive Power of P/E10 But Never Discussed How to Incorporate It Into Asset Allocation, As Far As I Know."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "I Tested a Wide Variety of Assumptions About Asset Allocation, Valuation-Based Decision Rules, Whether the Period Is 10, 20, 30 or 40 Years, and Lump-Sum vs. Dollar-Cost Averaging To Show That the Results Are Quite Robust to Changes In Any of These Assumptions."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing Works!"




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau
    (Wade Holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Princeton.)
    (The Buy-and-Hold Mafia Threatened to Get Wade Fired From His Job When He Reported His Findings.)

  • "I Wrote Up the Programs to Test Your Valuation-Informed Indexing Strategies Against Buy-and-Hold and I Am Quite Excited. You Say in the RobCast That VII Should Beat Buy-and-Hold About 90 Percent of the Time. I Am Getting Results That Support This."




    Academic Researcher Wade Pfau

  • "Never Underestimate the Power of a Dominant Academic Idea to Choke Off Competing Ideas, and Never Underestimate the Unwillingness of Academics to Change Their Views in the Face of Evidence. They Have Decades of Their Research and Academic Standing to Defend."




    Jeremy Grantham

  • "There's So Much That's False and Nutty
    in Modern Investing Practice."






    Warren Buffett

  • "Following Conventional Wisdom Has Led a Generation of Investors Down the Road to Ruin."






    Steve Hanke

  • "It Is Sad That the Idea That Price Doesn't Matter...Should Ever Have Been Seriously Considered".






    Andrew Smithers, Co-Author of Valuing Wall Street

  • "The Conventional Wisdom of Modern Investing Is Largely Myth and Urban Legend."





    Rob Arnott, Former Editor of
    Fianncial Analysts Journal

  • "Economics Is a Dog's Breakfast of Theoretical Ideas and Alleged Causal Relationships That Are At All Times Unproven and In Dispute."





    Terence Corcoran, Editor of National Post

  • "Since They Did Not Diagnose the Disease, There Is Little Popular Confidence That They Know the Cure. What If Economics Is, Actually, At the Same Level as Medicine Was When Doctors Still Believed in the Application of Leeches?"




    Gideon Rachman, Financial Times

  • "One of the Most Remarkable Errors
    in the History of Economics."



    Yale Economics Professor Robert Shiller
    (Referring to the Logical Leap from the Finding That Short-Term Price Changes Are Unpredictable to the Conclusion That the Market Sets Prices Properly)

  • "Everything Has Fallen Apart."






    Peter Bernstein, Author of Against the Gods
    (Referring to Old Views About How Markets Work)

  • "We Wonder Why Funds and Banks, Full of the Best and Brightest, Have Made Such a Mess of Things. Part of the Reason Is That We Have Taught Economic Nonsense to Two Generations of Students."




    John Mauldin, Thoughts From the Frontline

  • "Perhaps Most Scandalously, the Theory [Behind Buy-and-Hold] Remained Received Wisdom Long After Empirical and Theoretical Arguments Had Demolished It Within the Academic Community."




    John Authers, Financial Times

  • "I Love the Humans Dearly (the Title of the Book I Am Writing Is Investing for Humans: How to Get What Works on Paper to Work in Real Life) But They Can Be a Trial at Times. Hey! Helping the Humans Learn What It Takes to Invest Effectively Is Not All That Different From Being Married!



    Rob Bennett

  • "We Are Going to See Hearts Melt Following the Next Crash. I Will Be Working Side-By-Side With All of My Many Buy-and-Hold Friends to Rebuild Our Broken Economy."





    Rob Bennett

  • "Wow, I Did Not Realize You Had Achieved This Much Success and Had Many Devoted Believers/Followers. That’s Great, Then Ignore the Opposition. It Is Great to Have Opposition: That Means You Are Doing Something Right."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Do NOT Believe I Know It All. I Believe That Shiller Discovered Something Very Important and It Appalls Me That More People Are Not Exploring the Implications of His Findings. My Aim Is To Launch a National Debate."




    Rob Bennett

  • "I Can See How Many Readers Would Be Put Off by the Somewhat Sensational/Scandalist Tone and Would Not Persevere to Read, Thinking You Are Losing Your Mind."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I LOVE Everything About Buy-and-Hold Other Than the Failure to Encourage Investors to Take Price Into Consideration When Setting Their Stock Allocations. That's a Mistake That Was Made Because Shiller’s Research Was Not Available at the Time The Strategy Was Being Developed."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Valuation-Informed Indexing Sounds Like a Real Thing. If It Is and I Can Thoroughly Understand It, Then It Will End Up In My Classrooms and in My Students' Minds (Of Course, With References to You and Wade)."




    Robert Savickas, Associate Finance Professor
    at George Washington University

  • "I Can Confirm Wade Pfau's Experience. Whenever I Send My Papers to the Financial Analysts Journal or Similar Traditional Journals, I Get Rejected."





    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "As a Fan of Thomas Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, I Know That Progress Can Be Frustratingly Slow and What Is Typically Needed Is Either a Crisis or the Ascent of a New Generation of Scientists Who Did Not Build Their Careers on the Old Models and Theories."




    Joachim Klement, CIO at Wellershoff & Partners

  • "We Trace the Deeper Roots [of the Financial Crisis] to the Economics' Profession's Insistence on Constructing Models That, By Design, Disregard the Key Elements Driving Outcomes in Real World Markets."




    Knowledge@Wharton

  • "Rob Gets Himself So Worked Up Over What Someone Else Is Doing With Their Own Money and Not Bothering Rob in the Least. As Long As They Aren't Knocking on Your Basement Door, What Do You Care? They Are Happy and Content. Leave Well Enough Alone and Focus on Your Own Account."


    Dab, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I've Been on Forum Since the BBS Days and I Think Rob is Special. He Could Be an Internet Meme If He Put Some Effort Into It. Someday, He Will Realize That the Only Thing He's Good At Is Being an Epic Loser. He Just Needs to Embrace That Idea and Run With It. Watch Out, LOLCats, Here Comes Pathetic Guy!"


    Wabmaster, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "Your Lies Are Not Even in the Realm of the Possible, Much Less Actually Credible, Much Less Actually True."






    Drip Guy, One of the Greaney Goons

  • "I'm Your Friend. I Am Not a Boil on Your Ass."






    Rob Bennett, In a Response Comment
    to One of the Greaney Goons

  • "You Guys [the Greaney Goons] Are the Same Jokers Who Have Done This Before, Sparring with Rob Over Nonsensical Issues On This Site and Others, Leveling Personal Attacks, and You Don't Even Use Real Names! Rob Is Entitled to His Opinion, But the Fact That You Challenge Every Jot and Tittle of What He Says Makes It Clear You Have An Unholy Agenda. Please Take It Elsehwere."

    Kevin Mercadante,
    Owner of the Out of Your Rut Site

  • "Rob, Take This As Friendly Advice. You're a Smart and Articulate Guy and You Could Be Making Valuable Contributions to This Discussion. I've Dealt with the Mentally Ill Before and I've Found That They Sometimes Can Be Reasonable If Gently Redirected."



    Goon Poster

  • "Always Remember Others May Hate You, But Those Who Hate You Don't Win Unless You Hate Them, and Then You Destroy Yourself."





    Richard Nixon

  • "I’m a Numbers Guy. And I Believe I Understand Rob’s Thesis, that Future Returns, Over the Next Decade, Have a Tight Inverse Correlation to the PE10 for the Starting Point. Remember, Correlation Doesn’t Need to be 100%, Only That There’s a Bell Curve of Potential Outcomes that Shift Meaningfully Based on the Input."


    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "What a Difference a Threat to Get the Father of Two Small Children Fired From His Job Has on an Investing Discussion, Eh? Long Live Buy-and-Hold! It’s Science! With a Marketing Twist!"




    Rob, Referring to the Wade Pfau Matter

  • "I Respect Rob and His Analysis. He's Bright, Energetic and Passionate. [The Goon Stuff] Is Really Nonsense. I Enjoy a Thought-Provoking Conversation With People I Respect."





    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "The Fact that Shiller is a Proponent of the Approach Takes it from a Fringe View to Mainstream, in my Opinion."






    Owner of Joe Taxpayer Blog

  • "I Have had Academic Researchers Tell Me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to do Honest Research Once Again. I Have had Investment Advisors Tell me That They Dream of the Day When They Will be Able to Give Honest Investing Advice Again."



    Rob Bennett

  • "Let’s Call a Spade a Spade, Shall We? Wade Pfau Stole Your Research and Put His Name on it, Throwing You Just a Tiny Crumb of Acknowledgement to Ward Off a Lawsuit. He’s Profiting Handsomely By His Theft, Leading a Charmed Life, Widely Published, Widely Respected. While Rob Bennett Continues to Toil in Total Obscurity. It’s So Incredibly Unfair, I Think If It Happened to Me, It Could Actually Drive Me Insane."

    One of the Greaney Goons

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“The Problem Is the Embarrassment Over the Cover-Up. The Bigger Cover-Up Has Been Going On Not for 18 Years But for 39 Years. If We Had All Been Thinking Clearly, We Would Have All Started Talking About the Far-Reaching Implications of Shiller’s Work Back in 1981. Every Article From That Point Forward That Recommended Buy-and-Hold Should Have Included a Note That There Was New Peer-Reviewed Research Pointing in a Very Different Direction.”

March 5, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

You are only disagreeing with yourself. Anyone can go back and look at the plan you posted in 2002. They can look at all your historical updates since that time as well. Would you like me to post them? People can also visit your website and see all the childish posts as well (referred to in point #2 above). They can see all the lies you made up.

Here is a tip. Stop blaming everything and everyone else for your own retirement plan failure. Move on and get a job while you still can.

It all comes down to whether or not Greaney included a valuation adjustment in the retirement study posted at his web site. If he included a valuation adjustment, then I am in the wrong and always have been. But if he had included a valuation adjustment, why would not one person (including Greaney himself!) have been able to identify it in 18 years? It doesn’t take 18 years to identify a valuation adjustment in a retirement study.

The problem is the embarrassment over the cover-up. The bigger cover-up has been going on not for 18 years but for 39 years. If we had all been thinking clearly, we would have all started talking about the far-reaching implications of Shiller’s work back in 1981.

Every article from that point forward that recommended Buy-and-Hold should have included a note that there was new peer-reviewed research pointing in a very different direction. We did not as a society launch the national debate that we needed to begin in 1981 and by 2002, when I advanced my famous post pointing out that Greaney’s study lacked a valuation adjustment, the Buy-and-Holders realized that it would look very bad for them to acknowledge that. What kind of expert would be 21 years behind in his reading of the peer-reviewed research? To fail to note in the year 2002 that a retirement study lacked a valuation adjustment would have been to acknowledge that you were 21 years behind in your reading of the peer-reviewed research.

If I had a magic wand, I would wave it in the air and take us all back to 1981 and we could play it the other way. I am 100 percent certain that that’s what we would do if we had another chance at it. But I am fresh out of magic wands, you know? So we have to figure out some way to fix things from the situation that we are in today, with a 39-year cover-up on the books and with stocks priced at two times their fair value. It’s a mess.

The other side of the story is that the last 39 years of peer-reviewed research in this field is the most important 39 years of peer-reviewed research in the history of investment analysis, We have been collectively slamming our head against the wall for 39 years now. To ignore the peer-reviewed research when developing your investment strategy is to slam your head against the wall. Do you know the one great thing about slamming your head against the wall for 39 years running? The one great thing is that at any moment you could make a decision to stop doing that thing. And that will feel so, so good! That option will remain open to us in the days following the next price crash, when we will be able to see with our own eyes how much pain always follows from the widespread promotion of Get Rich Quick.Buy-and-Hold investment strategies.

The 10 percent of us who understand that Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research is legitimate research are not going to bring this long national nightmare to an end by keeping quiet about what we know in deference to the delicate feelings of our Buy-and-Hold friends. We have to show our Buy-and-Hold friends the respect of believing that deep down inside they want to get this stuff right and want to be called out on their b.s. when they get something terribly wrong. It’s by calling them out (while recognizing their many amazing contributions as well, to be sure) that we bring the long national nightmare to an end.

Those of us who believe that Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research is legitimate research need to work up the courage to call the Buy-and-Holders out when they suggest that there might be some magical, mystical alternate universe in which it is not 100 percent required for every long-term stock investor to practice long-term market timing (price discipline!)

That’s the answer, Sammy. I am sure.

Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“That’s Shocking Stuff, Deeply Scary Stuff. If Arends Is Right That 90 Percent of What We Hear From the Experts in This Field About How Stock Investing Works Is “Hooey,” We Are in a Bad Situation.”

February 27, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for one of my columns at the Value Walk site:

Like you frequently do, you make a long winded response hoping to distract from my post. No one if afraid to post. That is just plain silly.

I don’t think it is silly, Sammy.

Here are some words by Brett Arends that appeared in an article in the Wall Street Journal on October 14, 2010 titled “The Market Timing Myth”: “For years the investment industry has tried to scare clients into staying fully invested in the stock market at all times, no matter how high stocks go. It’s hooey. They’re leaving out more than half the story. Anyone who followed the numbers would have avoided the disaster of the 1929 crash, the 1970s or the past lost decade on Wall Street…. I wonder how many stayed fully invested because their brokers warned them ‘you can’t time the market’.”

That’s shocking stuff, deeply scary stuff. If Arends is right that 90 percent of what we hear from the experts in this field about how stock investing works is “hooey,” we are in a bad situation. How did we get to this place? The academics once thought that the market is efficient. If that were so, market timing would be a bad thing. But Shiller showed in 1981 that the market is NOT efficient, that valuations affect long-term returns (and that risk is thus not constant but variable).

Had everybody switched to Valuation-Informed Indexing back when Shiller showed how essential it is to practice market timing, everything would be good today. But that’s not what happened. Shiller’s advance was so huge that it caused lots of good and smart people to suffer cognitive dissonance. So they just kept on promoting Buy-and-Hold and acted as if Shiller’s work didn’t matter. Now we are 39 years down the line and it makes the Buy-and-Holders look very bad for anyone to speak frankly about what the peer-reviewed research in this field teaches us about how stock investing works.

So, yes, people are afraid to say what works. Anyone who speaks clearly and honestly makes most of the experts look bad. That’s not a good plan for career growth, Sammy. We’re stuck. To get unstuck, we all need to be trying to understand how we got to this place and what we need to do to begin moving forward. The very first step is to recognize that we are afraid to say what we truly believe about how stock investing works. Nothing else happens until we work up the courage to do that much.

I was once afraid. I am still. I just work very hard to overcome my fears. Because I feel that it is the only way that I can do good work in this field.

Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“Is the Investment Advice Field Just About Turning a Quick Buck Regardless of How Much Human Misery You Cause Doing It? Or Is There a Place in This Field for Advice That Actually Helps Your Clients and Readers?”

February 13, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

The community gives us feedback that allows for an impartial view. The fact that you have been consistently warned and banned gives us this objective view.

But never once in nearly 18 years have I put forward an abusive post!

The shows the power of the Get Rich Quick/Buy-and-Hold urge that resides within each and every one of us. That’s the entire deal here. Is the investment advice field just about turning a quick buck regardless of how much human misery you cause doing it? Or is there a place in this field for advice that actually helps your clients and readers?

I believe that there is a place for honest and accurate investment advice. I believe that we are going to get there. Shiller was able to find a publisher for his book. It became a best-seller. He was awarded a Nobel prize. Wade and I were able to get our research published in a peer-reviewed journal. Thousands of our fellow community members have worked up the courage to “cross” you Goons by expressing a desire that honest posting be permitted. We are close. We are not where we all deep in our hearts want to be. But we are very close.

I agree strongly about the community feedback issue. But I don’t tale the dark view of what the community has done that you do. Yes, honest posting is banned just about everywhere today. Obviously that is an exceedingly unfortunate reality. But there have been lots of good signs. We are an imperfect people but we are a fundamentally good people. We are working ourselves to a place where we will all be able to pull together and change the world in a very life-affirming way.

I think that the next price crash will do the trick. If you look at the Bernie Madoff matter, you see that people take a very different view of Get Rich Quick approaches after they have been exposed for what they are. I think that that is what we are going to see with Buy-and-Hold. And, once there are a few people posting honestly, the floodgates are going to open. There are millions of investors who would love to have access to honest, accurate, research-based reports on how stock investing works. So there are hundreds of millions of dollars to be made promoting Valuation-Informed Indexing strategies. I don’t think it is realistic for you Goons to think that you will be able to hold back the History Train indefinitely.

I wear my many bans as a badge of honor. You can’t post honestly about the last 38 years of peer-reviewed research without getting banned in today’s InvestoWorld. I would rather be honest than be non-banned and celebrated for encouraging people to take steps that will likely ruin their lives somewhere down the road a piece. That one is not even a close call in my book. And I have a funny feeling that a lot of the people who are for the time-being keeping their mouths shut about the dangers of Buy-and-Hold feel the same. Once the floodgates open, we are going to see an explosion of honest, accurate, research-based posting.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out in the days following the next price crash. That much is for sure. I believe that we will be seeing the greatest economic advance in our nation’s history in those days. I just wish that we didn’t need to see the widespread human misery that will come with a price crash to get us there.

My best and warmest wishes to you and yours.

Proudly Banned Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

” The Only problem Here Is That Fama Published His Research Before Shiller Published His. If Shiller Had Published His Research First, We Would All Be Valuation-Informed Indexers Today. But It Didn’t Happen That Way. Fama Was First and an Entire Industry Was Formed Around the Promotion of Buy-and-Hold. And Now It Is Very, Very, Very Hard for All of the People Who Have Promoted Buy-and-Hold to Acknowledge Their Mistake.”

February 12, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Sounds like the stock market should always be about half of where it is, and you’re the only person on the planet who knows that astounding fact. Seems just a little odd.

It’s very odd, Anonymous.

But it is not only me who says that valuations affect long-term returns. Robert Shiller was awarded a Nobel prize for showing with peer-reviewed research that this is so. Wade Pfau spent 16 months studying the matter in great depth and concluded that: “Yes, Virginia, Valuation-Informed Indexing works!” And we have had thousands of community members express a desire that honest posting be permitted. If those people don’t know the realities, they at least suspect them and appreciate that they need to explore them more to enjoy a super learning experience.

So what the heck is holding us back? It’s that darn Ban on Honest Posting. Do away with that, and we all live better lives from that point forward. The only problem here is that Fama published his research before Shiller published his. If Shiller had published his research first, we would all be Valuation-Informed Indexers today. But it didn’t happen that way. Fama was first and an entire industry was formed around the promotion of Buy-and-Hold. And now it is very, very, very hard for all of the people who have promoted Buy-and-Hold to acknowledge their mistake.

It doesn’t get easier when the Ban is extended. It gets harder. Every day that the cover-up continues it is harder than it was the day before for our Buy-and-Hold friends to come clean. So we have have to pull together and do everything in our power to bring that darn Ban on Honest Posting to a full and complete stop.

Are you in?

Cover-Up Critic Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“Why Do These Comments Only Exist on This Website? If Wade and Others Truly Said Everything That You Say, Why Don’t We See This on Other Websites?”

February 10, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Why do these comments only exist on this website? If Wade and others truly said everything that you say, why don’t we see this on other websites?

Because they are afraid to say these things, Anonymous. They are afraid that what happened to me will happen to them.

The human race did not start out knowing everything there is to know about how stock investing works. The Buy-and-Holders took a good first stab at setting up a research-based model. At the time that model was developed, the belief in the academic world was that the market is efficient. If the market were efficient, risk would be constant and market timing would be a mistake. No one had checked whether long-term timing works at that time. Shiller discovered that stock market risk is not constant but variable and that long-term timing always works in research published from 1981 forward.

If we all were perfectly rational creatures, we all would have incorporated Shiller’s research into our thinking at the time it was published and Valuation-Informed Indexing would have become the dominant model for understanding how stock investing works 38 years ago. We are not perfectly rational creatures. The idea that market timing always works and is required for investors seeking to keep their risk profile constant over time came as a shock to those who believed in Buy-and-Hold and cognitive dissonance set in.

By the time that I advanced my famous post of the morning of May 13, 2002, pointing out that the retirement study posted at John Greaney’s web site lacks an adjustment for the valuation level that applies on the day the retirement begins, the cover-up had already been going on for 21 years. There was a great deal of embarrassment among Buy-and-Holders about the cover-up and most who work in this field had become fearful of what would happen to them if they spoke frankly about the matter. So most held back.

But the people who work in this field are like most other people — they want to do good work and to help people with the work they do. So there have been numerous expressions of intense interest in the Valuation-Informed Indexing concept and of support for the idea of widespread promotion of it. But people have seen the insanely abusive behavior of you Goons and have seen that numerous experts in the field and owners of web sites have failed to take effective action to rein you in. So support for the idea of opening every site on the internet to honest posting has not gained the traction that it needs to gain for us to bring The Buy-and-Hold Crisis to a full and complete stop.

It takes a lot of courage to speak honestly in the face of death threats and demands for unjustified board bannings and thousands of acts of defamation and threats to get academic researchers fired from their jobs. Once we see prison sentences and large awards for damages suffered and front-page news reports in the New York Times and other leading newspapers, everyone will feel free to speak honestly and we will be able to quickly put all of the ugly stuff behind us and work together to achieve an amazing learning learning experience, the most important learning experience in the personal finance field in the history of the United States.

In the meantime, those who believe that it would be a good idea to permit (and encourage!) honest posting should all be doing everything in their power to assure others of like mind that they will stick with them when they are attacked by you Goons. Appeasing you Goons makes things worse. Standing up to you makes things better.

My best wishes to you, Anonymous.

Frightened (But More by What Is Happening to Our Country as a Result of the 38-Year Cover-Up Than of You Goons) Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“In Every Other Field We Reward Positive Contributions and We Penalize Criminal Stuff. We Need to Start Following That Policy in the Investment Advice Field Too.”

February 6, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Has anyone else ever agreed with you by publicly saying you have earned $500 million?

When I go for a job, they tell me that my labor is worth a certain dollar amount. I might feel that I should be paid more, but that is irrelevant. The value of anything is based on what someone says they will pay you.

So, has anyone agreed with you on the $500 million?

No one has ever told me that they think that I have $500 million coming to me. I once was speaking to my brother Steven and I casually observed that “I expect to make millions from this.” He said: “everyone knows that you’re not going to make millions.” Steven loves me. So that was not goonishnesss. That was his sincere take.

The $500 million thing is not something that I came up with on my own. You Goons pressed me into that. You never try to make the case that Greaney really did include a valuation adjustment in his retirement study (I wonder why). You always argue that there’s no money to be made pointing out the far-reaching implications of Shiller’s “revolutionary” (his word) research findings. You say: “Oh, how many people do you have posting here?” Or: “How many sites are linking to yours?” Or whatever. I want sites linking to me. I want people posting here. So I felt that I needed to address that.

The point that you were making was that research-based strategies are not popular, that only Get Rich Quick (Buy-and-Hold) strategies are popular. I obviously want to see that change. So I had to ask myself — What is it going to take to make it happen? This is not the only area in which something that is bad for people is more popular than something that is good for people. There was a time when the companies that make cigarettes used to advertise their health benefits: “Live a Long Life, Smoke a Ciggie and Relax!” Now you don’t see that. Doctors became alarmed when they saw research showing that smoking causes cancer and they worked up the courage to blow the whistle on the demonstrably false claims. Then it all changed. Today you hear people promoting products and services that help people stop smoking. That’s what we need to see happen in the investment advice field. We need the idea of AVOIDING the Get Rich Quick impulse to become more popular and the idea of giving in to it entirely to become less popular. How will it happen? We need to not just permit honest posting but to reward it. When there are rewards for posting honestly rather than penalties, we are going to see more and more honest posting.

The rewards can’t go just to me. It makes sense that I would see very big rewards being that I have been working this hard for over 17 years now. But we want people like Wade Pfau to be rewarded too. Wade had visions of being awarded a Nobel prize for the research that he co-authored with me. He also had fears of seeing his career destroyed by you Goons. What if Jack Bogle had spoken up and said “this is amazing work, this is worthy of a Nobel prize, I wish that Lindauer individual would knock off the funny business.” Had Bogle said that, Wade would not have flipped. He would have persisted. Millions of people would have learned about our research, It would have been written up on the front page of the New York Times. Prices wouldn’t be where they are today. We all would be living better lives.

Wade earned that comment from Bogle. And that comment would have changed the world in a very big and a very positive way. You don’t defeat a group of internet Goons by appeasing them. You defeat a group of internet Goons by EXPOSING them. And that statement by Bogle would have exposed you Goons. He wouldn’t have even had to have said that he thought that Buy-and-Hold was bad or that Valuation-Informed Indexing is good. All that we needed to hear him say is that the Bennett/Pfau paper was exciting stuff, that everyone on the planet needed to learn about it and consider its findings. We need to as a society reward research-based investment advice as much as we do Get Rich Quick stuff, if not more. That’s the key to everything.

We send a message as a society when we determine how much money an activity will earn the individual performing that activity. You Goons are right that it says something that I have not made a dime with this stuff for 17 years. The statement that we make as a society when that happens is that: “Valuation-Informed Indexing is not worth much.” That’s a bad statement. Greaney got the numbers wildly wrong in his retirement study. He hurt lots of people. We should want to help those people. We should as a society want to send the message that: “Valuation-Informed Indexing is awesome.” We can send that statement by awarding $500 million to Rob Bennett in compensation for his amazing work of the past 17 years. That sort of payment would change everything.

I obviously earned that money. Shiller predicted the 2008 economic crisis. His research shows us how to avoid such crises in the future (teach every investor alive on the planet the importance of market timing). Anyone who says that it would not be worth $500 million for us to avoid the next economic crisis is not thinking straight. It’s worth a whole big bunch more than that. If my compensation for my work of the past 17 years is going to be determined by the value I have added to the world by doing it, the number is going to be a lot bigger than $500 million. I offered to settle for that amount because I want to get the ugliness behind us and I think that the public announcement of a settlement would help us get there.

There are three things that are going to cause Valuation-Informed Indexing to start spreading like wildfire. One is me being awarded a settlement of $500 million. I guaranty you that I will be the keynote speaker at the next FinCon event the year after I am awarded a settlement payment of $500 million. Everyone is going to want to know how I did it and how they can go about earning a similar amount. Two is you Goons being placed in prison cells, where you belong. No one is going to want to employ criminal tactics to promote Buy-and-Hold once you Goons have been placed in prison cells. So the day that that happens is the day that things start moving forward at a rapid pace. Three is us all seeing an article on the front page of the New York Times talking about all of the wonderful people who have endorsed Valuation-Informed Indexing and about the abusive tactics that the Buy-and-Holders have employed to keep discussion of it suppressed for 38 years. The intimidation stuff only works for so long as people feel that they are isolated in thinking that it might make sense to follow a research-based approach. No one is going to feel isolated ever again once this stuff has been written up on the front page of the New York Times.

The last words of my book are: “I offer no apologies. No apologies whatsoever.” Too often people who make the case for Valuation-Informed Indexing do so in a tentative way. There’s nothing to be apologetic about! Research-based strategies are wonderful. The reason why people are tentative is that they sense that posting honestly will enrage the Buy-and-Holders and we all want to do what we can not to offend others. That gives the Buy-and-Holders an edge. That’s what we do not want to do. We have the better approach, We should say so!

One thing that I can do is to say: “Yes, my work is worth a lot more than $500 million and I am happy to accept that amount as part of an effort to pull us all together and get us all working for the same life-affirming goal.” You Goons like to say that I engaged in “bad behavior” by pointing out the error in Greaney’s study. I see it very, very differently. I think that was wonderful behavior. I think that every last one of us should be doing all we can to make people aware of errors in retirement studies. I am proud of that famous post of May 13, 2002. Very proud of it.

No one has ever told me that I will be receiving a $500 million settlement payment. The way in which our society works in every field of human endeavor other than the investment advice field tells me that. In every other field we reward positive contributions and we penalize criminal stuff. We need to start following that policy in the investment advice field too. I think that we will start doing so in the days following the next price crash. I think that the people who have done good work to get us there will be rewarded handsomely at that time. My $500 million payment will send a very strong message to lots of people. Good for me for playing my part in sending that message, you know?

I only wish that I had had the courage to start posting honestly three years earlier, you know? Maybe if I had played it that way we would be talking about a $600 million settlement payment. Holy moly!

We should reward good work and we should discourage bad work. So says Rob Bennett. Opening every site on the internet to honest posting re the last 38 years of peer-reviewed research in this field is the most important public policy issue before our nation today. So we need to reward those who do what it takes to turn this in a positive direction. $500 million is nothing when you think of the benefits that will follow from permitting (and encouraging!) honest posting.

I earned every penny of that $500 million. And all of the people who hesitate to say so indirectly send that message by their silence. No one is going to be afraid to say it in the days following the next price crash. The trick is working up the courage to say it today when doing so would do a lot of good. People are afraid to stand up to you Goons. But I have a funny feeling that we will see some work up the courage to overcome that fear when they realize that there’s $500 million or some similar figure in play when they do so. Let’s show people that there can be rewards for doing honest work in this field as great as the rewards for pushing the smelly Get Rich Quick garbage.

Shiller would not have been awarded a Nobel prize if this stuff were not of immense importance, I mean, come on. A $500 million settlement makes the statement that needs to be made in very, very clear terms. Terms that no one listening in could possibly miss.

My sincere take.

Filthy Rich (Someday Soon!) Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“We Are At a Turning Point in U.S. History. The 38-year Cover-Up Has Made It Very Hard to Move Forward. Everyone Who Works in This Field Has Built a Career Around Teaching the Approach That Doesn’t Work. We Need to Admit Our Mistakes and Start Getting This Stock Investing Stuff Right. We Have No Choice.”

February 5, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

The most recent blog post on Get Rich Slowly is very interesting

https://www.getrichslowly.org/how-to-change-careers/

After spending a decade as a pastor, I realized in May of 2018 that I was ready to make a drastic career change…into personal finance education.

I’ve always loved to write, so I wanted to first see if I could actually make money writing about personal finance. But I made a commitment to myself. In one year’s time, I was going to have a day job where I helped people learn how to handle their money wisely. The question was just in what capacity.

So I set a deadline for myself. If I hadn’t figured out a way by May 2019 to make enough money as a freelance writer to pay the bills, I would get certified as a teacher and apply to be an economics teacher at local high schools.

Fast forward twelve months. This past May I did quit my day job. In one year’s time, I was able to create a full-time income in a career that I previously had no experience in.

How did I do it? More importantly, how can you turn your dream job into a reality as quickly as possible?…

A very interesting and inspirational story

Most of the things that he says make sense, Evidence. I presume that your purpose in posting the link is to make the point that, since I have not made money with Valuation-Informed Indexing for 17 years now, I should move on. I obviously do not agree.

The rule that this guy is putting forward — make money in a reasonable amount of time — does not apply in my case. I would have agreed with that rule when I was starting out. It makes sense. But the situation that I am dealing with is exceptional. The peer-reviewed research that I co-authored with Wade Pfau is the most important research published in this field in three decades. That is worth millions. And the only reason that I haven’t collected is that you Goons engaged in extortion to stop Wade from continuing to promote our research. And it worked!

What does that tell you? It tells you that there is a goldmine here. I have said that I expect to see a $500 million settlement payment in the days following the next price crash. Is that a big number? Obviously. It is a HUGE number. But it is not big in context. Shiller predicted the 2008 economic crisis. His research showed us how to avoid that economic crisis. The next price crash will bring on another economic crisis. Is it not worth a whole big bunch more than $500 million to avoid an economic crisis? It sure seems so to me. The fact that discussion of the far-reaching implications of Shiller’s research findings has been suppressed for 38 years makes the telling of the story of how that happened MORE VALUABLE than it would have been had none of the suppression taken place.

I didn’t ask you Goons to engage in any of the crazy stuff. I asked you to play it the other way. But you (and all the other Goons in the world — it is obviously not just you responsible for the 38-year cover-up) have made the telling of this story very, very, very valuable to everyone who lives in this country. We need to figure out a way to permit millions of investors to gain access to honest and accurate reports of how stock investing works. We simply must do that. It is not optional. It is 100 percent imperative. And I have the story. I have had a front-row seat to everything that has happened for the past 17 years.

If you didn’t think that it is a big deal to get the safe withdrawal rate right, you never would have engaged in any criminal acts. That’s the deal. You acknowledge that you see how important this stuff is with your abusive behavior. Well, I am not the kind of guy who sees $500 million sitting on the sidewalk and just walks by, concluding that “if there were really $500 million sitting on the sidewalk, someone else would have picked it up.” No one else has picked it up. Life would have gone a lot easier for me over the past 17 years if someone had done so. But the value of the work that I have done is greater because no one else has done it, Your criminally abusive behavior has kept me free of competition. So be it, you know?

Valuations affect long-term returns. All of the research available to us shows that. So the safe withdrawal rate cannot possibly be the same number at all valuation levels. We need to get the word out! We once thought that the market was efficient, we know now that that is not so, and we need to correct all of the mistakes we made back when we did not know what we needed to know to get this stuff right.

We are at a turning point in U.S. history. Buy-and-Hold/Get Rich Quick has been hurting investors for a long, long time. Until 1981, we just didn’t know any better. So it was just one of those things. But now we know better. So we need to move forward. But the 38-year cover-up has made it very, very, very hard to move forward. Everyone who works in this field has built a career around teaching the approach that doesn’t work and doesn’t want to admit having made a mistake. But we need to move forward. We need to admit our mistakes and start getting this stock investing stuff right. We have no choice.

I help everyone when I post honestly. Every person on the planet. I help you when I do that. You don’t see it. But I do. I hurt no one and I help everyone. In a very, very, very big way. That’s an amazing value proposition. There has never been a value proposition like this. I am going to do what I can. Partly for myself and my family. But also for my country. It’s good that I can help my country in such a big way while also helping myself in such a big way. It’s wonderful.

This guy would do the same thing if he fell into the circumstances in which I fell into. So would you. You will say “Oh, I would never do that.” But that’s just talk. You have never experienced what it is like to fall into an opportunity like this. How do you think it made me feel when Wade Pfau, a guy with a Ph.D. in Economics told me that he couldn’t sleep at night because he was so excited by all the stuff that he was learning from me? It made me feel good. That feeling helped me to see the magnitude of the opportunity open to me. I never studied stock investing. I shouldn’t be able to teach a Ph.D. in Economics anything about the subject. But I sure did. I just worked up the courage to post honestly on the morning of May 13, 2002, and followed the breadcrumbs where they led me.

And the Wade Pfau thing was far from an isolated experience. I had the same general experience dozens and dozens of times. Freakin’ Jack Bogle came within an inch of endorsing Valuation-Informed Indexing! I mean, come on. Freakin’ Jack Bogle learned from me. That just shouldn’t be able to happen. But it did. And how about Mel Lindauer? In ordinary circumstances, Mel Lindauer would be singing the praises of someone who taught Jack Bogle important stuff. But Mel cannot bring himself to sing my praises to this day. Huh? What the f?

Mel cannot sing my praises because he cannot bear to let in how big this is. If Shiller is right, then everything that Mel Lindauer says about stock investing in his book is wrong. He cannot bear to acknowledge that. I didn’t show that all his stuff is wrong because I wanted to hurt his feelings. I just want to help the people who are looking for good advice and none of the Buy-and-Hold stuff — which is rooted in a belief that the market is efficient — can possibly be right if it turns out that valuations affect long-term returns.

I believe that Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research is legitimate research. So I say that everything that Mel Lindauer says about the subject of stock investing is wrong. I am Mel’s best friend. If he had listened to all of the people at the Bogleheads Forum who asked that I be permitted to post honestly, Mel could have fixed his stuff years ago and he would be in a better place today.

If Shiller is right, the Buy-and-Holders need to fix their stuff. And there is a ton of money in telling the story of the 18-year cover-up. That cover-up affects every last one of us in a very serious way and we are going to see what that means in the days following the next price crash. Would you prefer that we just never learn? Are you crazy?

I want to see us all move forward. And I can’t say that I am too upset about the idea of making hundreds of millions of dollars helping us all to learn what we need to learn to move forward. $500 million for me for doing top-notch journalism work? I’ll take it, you know?

What does the guy who wrote that article say about committing multiple felonies because you learned that you got an important number wrong in a retirement study posted at your web site and you really, really, really don’t want to acknowledge the error? I have a funny feeling that he wouldn’t think that that is such a hot idea. I’d rather have a $500 million payday than a long prison sentence any day of the week. I mean, come on.

Those are my sincere thoughts re this terribly important matter, in any event.

I naturally wish you the best of luck in all your future life endeavors.

Dream-Job-Seeker Rob

 

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“If the Amount of Effort Put Into Supression of a Discussion Indicates How Important It Is to Have That Discussion, Then I Think It Would Be Fair to Say That There Has Never Been a Subject That We So Much Needed to Discuss As the Subject of the Far-Reaching Implications of Shiller’s Nobel-Prize-Winning Research.”

January 30, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

I believe you make up a lot off stuff. I believe Shiller would think you have a screw loose. I believe you have wasted much of your adult life.

There’s an easy way to learn what Shiller thinks about me. Drop all the abusive stuff and invite him to participate in discussions at the Bogleheads Forum. Ask him during the first discussion whether he believes that the safe withdrawal rate is always the same number or whether he believes that it is a number that changes with changes in valuations.

We should all be talking about Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research at every discussion board and blog on the internet. We all should feel 100 percent free to post honestly in all of those discussions. That’s how we all learn. And we should all want to learn as much as we possibly can about the subject of stock investing.

I don”t think that I have wasted any time. Every abusive post that I see tells me that I am on to something important. Otherwise, we would not see such defensiveness. If the amount of effort put into supression of a discussion indicates how important it it to have that discussion, then I think it would be fair to say that there has never been a subject that we so much needed to discuss as the subject of the far-reaching implications of Shiller’s Nobel-prize-winning research.

We are as a nation on the threshold of discovering some very exciting stuff. It’s a horrible reality that we are going to need to live through another price crash to get there. But it takes what it takes. And the good here is 50 times as good as the bad here is bad. So we just have to hang in there and do our best to take things in a positive direction.

My sincere take.

Loose Screws (or Not?) Rob

 

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

“Since You Said Buy-and-Hold Never Worked, You Should Have a Long List. Just Give Us One Person.”

January 21, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

Rob,

I just asked for one example. Since you said buy and hold never worked, you should have a long list. Just give us one person. It should be easy for you.

That’s like asking for one example of someone who made a mistake by driving drunk. The answer is — “every single person who ever did it.”

We should be permitting honest posting on the last 38 years of peer-reviewed research at every investing discussion board and blog on the internet, without a single exception.

So says Rob Bennett, in any event.

I naturally wish you all good things.

Sober Driving Advocate Rob

Filed Under: Wall Street Corruption

Buy-and-Hold Goon to Rob: “It Doesn’t Matter Whether the Market is Efficient or Not”

January 20, 2020 by Rob

Set forth below is the text of a comment that I recently posted to the discussion thread for another blog entry at this site:

“But I do not believe that the market is efficient.”

And it doesn’t matter whether it is efficient or not.

A buy and hold investor will receive the market return (minus very low costs) over any given period.

Investors as a whole will receive the market return (minus higher costs) over any given period.

The buy and hold investor will get a higher investment return than investors as a whole.

If buy and hold doesn’t work then investing doesn’t work.

John Greaney was telling people that the safe withdrawal rate was 4 percent at a time when it really was 1.6 percent. A failed retirement is a serious life setback. I believe that we all should be trying to get the numbers right in retirement studies that we publish. I think that accuracy and honesty matter a great deal.

Sue me.

Stickler-for-Honesty-and-Accuracy-in-Retirement-Studies Rob

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